- Name: Lonnie Bruner
- Location: Washington, DC, United States
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Wednesday, January 16, 2008
One of My Best Friends Has Become a Hardcore 9/11 Conspiracy Theorist
All our group of friends have been putting forth various sociological and psychological explanations for this abrupt change, but my one friend Joe who lived with a hardcore conspiracist for 10 years had the best analysis of the phenomenon:
"Truthers and other conspiracy theorists possess the Truth. That is the essential thing. It cannot be argued. (It has a capital letter).Here's my take: I support Dick Cheney's false flag operation.
They have evidence. Whatever additional information they take in is processed through the relevant/irrelevant filter.
Their facts cannot be argued. The value of their work, research, studies --- what have you --- cannot be argued.
To dismiss their concerns is to admit that you are either willfully ignorant --- since they've explained it to you --- or hopelessly ignorant, because you don't get it.
Truthers and other conspiracy theorists latch onto their obsessions because they lack a healthy and nurturing level of interaction and commitment with society. The interaction and commitment could take many forms and the healthy and nurturing level is relative, but overall something is missing and the Truth is filling the void. It might have been religion. Or a lot of golf. But something had to move in and fill a need.
To fully appreciate the drive of conspiracy theorists is to understand that they want to expose the truth and possibly punish perpetrators and effect the cleansing of the system. These are noble goals in some sense and show that there is to a degree a drive for the betterment of society.
But also lurking in there is the Truth that would explain many of the ills that society faces. And this could speak to the need for an easy explanation of why the world is the way it is. And possibly why any meaningful interaction of the world is not possible --- not in reality, but in the shadow of the Truth. Lack of certain actions is wanted because you are working on the Truth. Basically, it is a great excuse not to do anything."
I mean, there's no other way the US populace would have been mobilized to support an attack on the Middle East were it not for Cheney's bombing the capital of world finance, bombing the headquarters of our own military, and crashing an airplane into some random field in Pennsylvania. The US military had had such a hard time getting their nerve up to bomb foreign countries prior to 9/11/2001 ...
Genius plan, I say.
He goes through what he called "the big five" conspiracy theories since WWII: 1) Assassination of JFK; 2) The Roswell Incident; 3) The International Communist Conspiracy (ICC); 4) the war on black America; and 5) belief in the Antichrist.
All of those seem to fit within some framework of the logical mind, but when I first heard this 9/11 crap, I couldn't believe the level of immature political thinking could sink any lower. I've been rolling my eyes ever since.
"The entertainment resources of the paranoid message are unrivaled. It offers puzzles, drama, passion, heroes, villains, and struggle. If the story-line can be tied to an historical event, especially one that involves romantic characters and unexpected death, then fiction, history, and popular delusion can be joined in the pursuit of profit. The story, moreover, need never end. If evidence appears that refutes the conspiracy, the suppliers of the discrediting material will themselves be accused of being part of the conspiracy. The paranoid explanatory system is a closed one. Only confirmatory evidence is accepted. Contradictions are dismissed as being naive or, more likely, part of the conspiracy itself."
First is the knowledge of an idea, then the search for supporting facts (including the ommission of negating facts).
Reminds me of "creationist scientists". Aw crap yeah I said it.
The biggest and most consequential conspiracy theory of recent times goes like this:
There is this guy named Saddam Hussein and he is producing and stockpiling all these WMD's. He is in league with another man named, Osama bin Laden who will use these WMD to kill millions of Americans with anthrax via UAV's and eventually there will be mushroom clouds over American cities.
This conspiracy theory has led to the death of thousands of Americans, over 100,000 Iraqi's and million of refugees.
9/11 has already been shown to be an inside job. The debate is over.
spooky rationale. It's hard to have a conversation with a brick wall.
Here's another conspiracy theory: The USSR is planning on taking over the world and nuking US cities. Unless we bomb any third world country who's not 110% with us, we will lose the world and our own freedom to Communism.
This conspiracy theory has led to the deaths of thousands of Americans, over 3 to 4 million Vietnamese, around 1.5 million Indonesias, 100,000 East Timorese, over 1.8 million Cambodias, 120,000 Koreans, hundreds of thousands of Laotians, hundreds of thousands of Central Americans and other Latin Americans, and millions of refugees.
So where's the false flag operation that pre-empted all of that?
The Gulf of Tonkin event was not necessarily a false flag terror event, but it was a hyped event that led to the escalation of the Vietnam War.
Besides the USSR and Communism were real. Joe Stalin was responsible for the murder of millions of people. They did have nuclear weapons. Commusism was growing throughout the 1940, 50's and 60's.
There was no reason for a false flag terror event to persuade people that communism was a threat. The same would apply to Nazi Germany in the early 1940's.
Islamo-Fascism is an entirely made up threat. The neo-cons are trying to convince people that cave-dwelling, mountain roaming tribal people are a threat to our freedom. Ridiculous.
In short, communism was real, an alliance between Saddam and Osama was entirely made up.
"Besides the USSR and Communism were real. Joe Stalin was responsible for the murder of millions of people. They did have nuclear weapons. Commusism was growing throughout the 1940, 50's and 60's." - Stalin died in 1953. The USSR was certainly a threat but their real power and scope of their global reach was MUCH less than was told the American people. That became even more obvious with the events of '89-91.
"There was no reason for a false flag terror event to persuade people that communism was a threat. The same would apply to Nazi Germany in the early 1940's." - MANY MANY Americans opposed the Cold War --- as many if not more than oppose the War on Terrorism today. I don't mean this to sound condescending, but tanabear, how old are you? Also, the reference to Nazis alomst renders everything you've said moot. (See Godwin's Law).
"Islamo-Fascism is an entirely made up threat." - I agree that using the term "fascism" in this context is inaccurate. But Islamic terrorism has been a threat for the past few decades --- bumping up a bit more in the past 10 years or so.
"The neo-cons are trying to convince people that cave-dwelling, mountain roaming tribal people are a threat to our freedom.
Ridiculous." -- this is a vast oversimplification of what happened on 9/11/01 and what is happening now. For example, most people who now say they're "Al Queda" likely have no connection to Osama.
"In short, communism was real, an alliance between Saddam and Osama was entirely made up." -- Obviously, you are correct by saying this.
Yes, but this was not necessarily obvious right after WWII when the Cold War began. The Soviet Union dominated the countries of Eastern Europe militarily and installed puppet regimes in such countries as Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Bulgaria, Romania etc. China, the world's most populous country, fell to communism in 1950, then North Korea. As well, the Soviets tested their first atom bomb in 1949.
It was probably the effects of Cuban missile crisis that persuaded many Americans to view the Soviets as a great threat. It also taught us that we cannot be entirley indifferent to the spread of communism, especially in our own hemisphere.
9/11 was entirely different. The neo-cons knew that unless there was another Pearl Harbor like attack against us, that Americans would never go along with their imperial agenda. They stated this clearly in their 2000 document:
"Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event––like a new Pearl Harbor"
Rebuilding America's Defenses
This was put out by the Project for a New American Century. The document was commissioned by Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and Jeb Bush.
However, the Empire of Japan is gone, the Nazis are gone and Soviet Communism had been assigned to the dust-bin of history. So there was no power left that could launch another Pearl Harbor like attack against us. So the neo-cons decided to do it themselves.
9/11 was needed to implement all aspects of the neo-con ideology. It was the foundational event that all other crimes of the Bush Administration have been built on. It also helped to create in peoples mind the idea that a ragtag bunch of terrorists were just a big of a threat as Imperial Japan or Soviet Communism. Hence neo-con propagandists always make analogies back to the Cold War and especially WWII. To the neo-cons it is always 1938 all over again.
Nevertheless, 9/11 is the greatest unsolved murder mystery in world history. It is time to banish these demons.
The risk is more his than mine: he's the one that's accused huge numbers of innocent people of complicity in a crime. For example, the innocents murdered by hijackers --- he blames some of these people for committing the crime. Not to mention the thousands involved in the investigation, etc. 9/11 Troofery dances on the graves of those murdered --- delights in it as some fantasy game.
All I've done is call him a douchebag for believing such offensive crap.
Who's the one who should be ashamed?
In 10 years, no one will even remember the 9/11 kooks.